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Post by John on Apr 3, 2009 19:54:10 GMT -5
BUSH, BARKER, KIDMAN, NEWMAN, KING, TREDGETT, DRANE FAMILY TREE ANECDOTAL NOTES at the end based on letters in brackets in the text [ X] [Y] - [ J]
Based on Saffron Walden Parish Records and where no dates appear, on family records or handed down tradition, so in places there may be inaccuracies.
Bush ancestors listed in Saffron Walden Parish registers one possible line to Jane Bush
William Bush. Died (d) 1839
m Hannah [ surname may have been Jobson ]
2 William Bush
m Elizabeth
3 George Bush bp 08.07.1849
m Elizabeth and lived at Sewards End.
4 John Bush b 14.04.1896 bp 15.11.1986
3 Daniel Bush bp 09.06.1850
m Elizabeth
4 Elizabeth Bush b 28.08.1882 bp 13.05.1883
4 Eliza Bush b 16.11.1886 bp 21.05.1887
3 Emma, single mother
4 William Bush bp 23.08.1872
3 Maria bp 23.08.1872
2 Jane Bush
m David Barker
Bush ancestors listed in Saffron Walden Parish registers alternative one possible line to Jane Bush
1 William Bush b 1767 d 21.02.1828 possibly the builder of the General Baptist chapel 1791-
1792 at Hill Street Saffron Walden and there after the Chapel Trustee. His wife was Ann but
we don’t know where or when they were married. It seems likely this was out tree but maybe
less likely he was the Hill Street Trustee or builder.
m Ann (surname may have been Jobson) born about 1767 died 1844 aged 77
2 William Bush
m Mary
3 Sampson Bush b 27.11.1816
2 James Bush
m Mary
3 Luke Bush bp 10.01.1834
2 Benjamin Bush. Carpenter
m Elizabeth
3 William Bush bp 06.07.1813 may also be the carpenter husband of
m Elizabeth married about 1840 parents of 4 children & 4 grandchildren
4 George Bush bp 08.07.1849
m ?
5 John Bush b 13.04,1896
4 Daniel Bush bp 09.06.1850
m Elizabeth
5 Elizabeth Bush b 28.08.1882 bp 13.05.1883
5 Eliza Bush b 16.11.1886 bp 21.05.1887
4 Emma, single mother
5 William Bush bp 23.08.1872
4 Maria bp 23.08.1872
3 Elizabeth Bush bp 22.07.1813
3 Susannah Bush b 29.05.1815 bp 05.11.1834
3 Mary Bush bp 15.10.1819
3 Maria Bush bp 15.11.1827
3 Obadiah Bush bp 01.02.1829
2 Hannah Bush bp 27.09.1794
2 Obadiah Bush bp 01.08.1796
m Hephzibar
3 Ann Bush bp 05.05.1815
3 Obadiah Bush bp 16.10.1817
3 George Bush bp 24.03.1820
3 Mary Bush bp 27.04.1821
3 Rosetta Bush bp 25.10.1822
2 Jane Bush bp 20.12.1803
m David Barker
3 David Barker 08.06.1856
3 Daniel Barker died young
3 Jane Maria Barker b 03.12.1858
3 Alice Barker b 18.04.1861
m Thomas Kidman of Linton
3 Rosetta Barker, died young
3 Emma Barker b o5 12.1863
m Horace Westwood, the lamp lighter
3 Ellen Barker b 05.06.1869
m Fred Newman
2 Mary Bush bp 25.01.1806
2 Ann Bush bp 30.11.1807
1 David Barker whose father may have been James Barker
m ?
2 Josiah Barker b 02.02.1830 bp 16.05.1830
2 Martin Barker b 09.06.1833 bp 03.08.1833
2 Enoch Barker b 06.01.1839 bp 09.06.1839
m 25.12.1867 Elizabeth Acker b 1833
3 Esther Barker bp 20.10.1868
3 Herbert Barker bp 31.05.1870
3 Edith Barker bp 07.02.1874
3 Arthur Barker b 27.07.1878 bp 06.08.1879
3 Emily Barker bp 03.11.1881
2 Samuel Barker bn around 1810
m (1) unknown and later to (2) Maria Loan daughter of William Loan farmer of Surbiton
3 Mary Anne Barker b 1851
3 Emily Barker b 1853
3 Benjamin Barker b 1857
m Mary Ann Loan daughter of William Loan farmer of Surbiton maybe son of above
1 John Barker whose father may have been James Barker
m Maria
2 James Barker b 13.08.1820 bp 26.05.1821
m 1835 or may have been 1838 to Susan Caton
3 John Caton Barker b 21.03.1829 bp 08.03.1840
3 Martin Barker b 25.07.1840 bp 12.03.1843
m Elizabeth
4 Alfred Barker bp 10.04.1864
3 Martha Barker
m 22.06.1862 to Richard Green [ bricklayer ] son of James Green [ bricklayer ]
3 Mary Barker bp 13.07.1851
3 Sarah Barker bp 08.05.1853
3 Emma Barker bp 14.09.1856
3 Hannah Barker bp 09.02.1862
2 Edward Barker bp 10.10.1824
m Susan
3 Samuel Frank Barker bp 08.01.1854
m Susan
4 William Francis Barker b 21.08.1871 bp 28.10.1876 may have been the ”Soldier”
[ Barker of Saffron Walden Salvation Army
4 Edward Frank Barker bp 10 .07.1881
2 David Barker
m Jane Bush
3 David Barker bp 08.06.1856
3 Daniel Barker died young
3 Jane Maria Barker b 03.12.1858
m a Mr Underwood
4 Sarah Elizabeth Underwood b 23.12.1885 bp 18.03.1886
4 Thomas Underwood
m ?
5 Joan Underwood.
3 Alice Barker of Saffron Walden b 18.04.1861. bp
09.06.1861 d 16.03.1953 aged 91 (Y)
m Thomas Kidman born of Linton b 13.09.1856 married
at Linton Parish Church Dec 25th 1880
bricklayer d 21.10.1941 (X)
4 Albert Thomas Kidman b 1881 d 1916, served in the
11th Essex Regiment (A
m Florence They lived in 28 Mill Lane.,
5 George Kidman b 23.03.1903 bp 30.08.1903
m Violet Bacon daughter of Frank Bacon senior and brother of Frank Bacon, Junior.
4 Jane Susannah Kidman b 24.07.1883. d 02.08.1986 (B)
m about 1904 Joseph Drane b 1881. d 12.11.1965 Farm worker at the Roos Farm,
5 Arthur Drane, b 1910, Eastern National bus driver, died 1979
m Doris Lillian Ward d 31.01.1992
6 Mary Drane
m John Goodwin
7 Paul Goodwin
m July 1991 Sarah Hunt, daughter of Linda and Derek Hunt of Winstanley Road
7 Colin Goodwin
6 Doreen Drane
m (1) John Bearpack who died
7 Julie Bearpack
7 Cindy Bearpack
m (2) John Pledger
7 Melinda Pledger
4 George Richard Kidman b 16.10.1885 bricklayer. d 24.11.1972. 87.
Fought in W W 1. Served in the Royal Garrison Artillery.
m Sarah Elizabeth ? b 20.03.1885, d 07.05.1961 aged 76
5 George Kidman. d
m Daisy d
6 Peter Kidman
6 Betty Kidman who married and lives in Haverhill
5 Frederick Kidman [ Fred ] b 1909 d 28.06 1983
m Elsie May b 1912 d 15.06.1989
6 Raymond Kidman born circ 1945 Painter it is believed
m Maxine Johnson died July 30 1986 Suicide. aged 42
7 Richard Simon Kidman b 1970
m Allison Margaret Mockford
7 Adrian Kidman
6 John Kidman who is a builder.
5 Stanley Kidman [ Stan ] d Dec 1997 who fought in the 2nd WW and was a member of
the Royal British Legion, He worked for Frank Bacon Junior, the Green Grocer
m Jan 1940. Dorothy May b 20.06.1920. d 12.08.2013 bur S W Cem 27.08.2013 lived at 9 Goddard Way
Dorothy was born in Castle Street as Dorothy Auger, Had a brother Frederick who workerd at Hardwick's the fish mongerer's. Now in his 90's. Dorothy went to St Mary'sWent to St Mary's
School Castle Street, left aged 14, worked for Englemann's Nurseries potting
pansies. carnations and tomatoes and was always a keen gardener Then served
20 years as Matron's maid at Saffron Walden General Hospital to which she used
to cycle off for night shifts leaving David in charge of the other 3 children, She
retired from Budgen's Supermarket Hill Street in 1965 where she was known as a
diligent hard worker and served on the checkout.
Having toured much in the UK sometimes on Day trips with the Over 60's she first ventured abroad aged 62 and again later to Spain and Italy. She and Stan celebrated their Golden Wedding Anniversary in 1990. She was known as a gentle lady with an engaging smile butrobust determined and independent to the end, She enjoyed participating in Coffee and Chat at the Day Centre. She was a regular member of St Mary's Church on Sundays 10 pews from the front on the South side, and generally there
half an hour before the service began. She was a supporter of the Wednesday
services and of the Mother's Union. She was a channel of love and peace and had
struggled with cancer the last couple of years, dying at 93 surrounded by her
family. In her Prayer Book she had written “Now these 3 remain, Faith, Hope and
Love and the greatest is love.”
Rev David Tomlinson Rector of St Mary's
preached on that text at her Memorial Service, which was attended by 78 people,
of whom 21 followed the Coffin. The service included the Commitment hymn “O
Jesus I have promised to serve Thee to the end.”, “The Lord's my shepherd I'll not
want” with the chorus “And I will trust in you alone” and “Make me a channel of Thy
Peace. The Funeral Procession left to music after a couple of false starts with the
wrong tune, to the singing of “When I am dying — You Raise Me Up” JEM .
6 David Kidman
6 John Kidman plumber may live in Hollyhock Road or Newport Road
6 Dawn Kidman
6 Robin Kidman property developer married with a daughter.
These between them had 11 children and 13 grandchildren
5 James Kidman [ Jim ] served with Merchant Navy. died
m Sally Ann Kinder,daughter of the butcher next door at 11Debden Road.
moved away and had children.
5 Irene Kidman (Rene) d 7.12.1995
m John Player died.
6 John Player married Dorothy Swan ( JEM’s Mum Alice said that his was the
daughter of William “ Buster” Swan)
6 Michael Player
married ?
7 Philip Player
7 Lee Player
7 Sarah Player
4 Frederick Kidman b 22.01.1891 bp 12.08.1891 died of cancer from war wounds
between the two world wars. He served in the Royal Engineers.
m Lizzie ...remarried and had a son Henry
5 Olive Kidman lived to adulthood Jane kept in touch, lost contact. d
4 Ellen (Nell) Kidman b 27.04.1893.bp 16.07.1893.d 14.08.1973
m [ 1 ] Charles Edward King, ( builder with his father’s Building company lived in
[Castle Street. 3rd son of Frank and Sarah King of 61 Castle Street a local athlete
[ b 21.02.1895 bp 03.02.1897 joined 11th Essex Regiment, 28294 and missing in
[ action 10.07.1917 Belgium. Listed on the Nieuport Memorial Alice Kidman as a
[girl during the Great War slept at Nell’s home in Castle St, to be company for her.
(C)
5 Frank King. Haulage Driver d 1978
m Dorothy Violet ( Deanie ) Dewberry b 1911 d. 1995 (D)
6 Frank Charles King b 1930 d 2009
m Enid Andrews d 2007 they lived at Thunderly Cottages Thaxted Road
7 Andrea King
6 Mary King
m Michael Lee
7 Stephen Lee
m ?
8 Andrew Lee,
8 Amanda Lee
6 David King - married and divorced,
5 Elsie King d
m (1) Cliff Searle ON of Newport Haulage contractor d
adopted a boy who thus became Terry Searle founder of Newport Bygones
Collection and Exhibition
m (2) Stephen Springham. d
4 Ellen (Nell) Kidman as above married again
m Arthur Tredgett of 21 Pleasant Valley, Haulage Contractor Dealer, Landlord, and
Small Holder died 16.05.1981 (E)
5 Violet Tredgett b 24.11.1921. d 27.04.2006 bu at SW (F)
m 1945) or 1941?)
James Grimshaw [ Jim ] a soldier from Lancashire, died 1975
6 Brian Grimshaw, b July 14 1946. bachelor, works in London area for a builder.
lives in the Tredgett family home of 17 Pleasant Valley Brian has research
the Tredgett family. [ brian.grimshaw@btinternet.com ]
6 Roger Grimshaw b Apr 8 1948. Educated Saffron Walden County High School
worked for the Reader’s Digest Ltd Company, Treasurer and Deacon of a
couple of URC & Baptist churches. Lived in Bath and then Wales , then in
Reading with an apartment at Altea near Benidorm in Spain
m Gaynor b in Wales.
7 Adrian Grimshaw b 02.03.1976
m Meryl [ they live (2006) at Bristol]
8 Megan Emily Grimshaw
8 Alyssa Grimshaw
7 Gareth Grimshaw b 1979
m in Ireland Aug 2006 at a country retreat at Cabra Castle near Cavan,
works for his father in law in Ireland an Estate Agent.
8 ?
7 Mark Grimshaw b 1982
m in New York in Feb 2006
8 ?
6 Joan Grimshaw b Apr 23 1953
m 24.03.1973 Donald Henderson, farmer, they live in New Zealand
7 Robyn Henderson b 1980
m
7 Grant Henderson b 1983 athlete
5 Vera Tredgett b 24.06.1922 d 15.05.1991 Assisted her father on the small
holding and drove, and visited the local Prisoner of War Camps with him for
whom they helped provision.
m Raymond Hanson b 1925 who later in 1995 married again a friend at Ashdon.
d 01.10.2000
6 Peter Hanson. Biologist b 01.02.1946
m Margaret,died July 18 2013 a teacher at RA Butler School. lived in West Road.
7 Sheila Hanson.
m ?
8 Callum
8 Katie
7 David Hanson.
m ?
8 Matthew
8 Alice
5 Arthur Ronald Tredgett b 1924 d 2012
[ in the 2nd World War he served in Italy, Greece and Austria. He worked with his
[ Dad and brother Frank in the haulage business and later inherited it himself
m Jean Jeffrey b 1930 many years a Nursing Auxillary at St James’s Community
Hospital, Radwinter Road and died of Leukaemia 06.06.1980
6 Graham Tredgett born Oct 25 Machinist at Carlton Sports Factory
m 1986 Lynne Rust of Radwinter Export Clerk at Carlton Sports Factory
7 Matthew Tredgett b 1993 bap 04-09-1994 Radwinter Church.
4 Henry Arthur Kidman. Born 1888 died 24th April 1917 during the Battle of Arras
(G)
4 Rosetta Kidman b. 16.01.1896 d 16.09.1969 (H)
m Frederick Daniel Newman b 1895 Died 8.05.1991 aged 96 bur at Saffron Walden
5 Dennis Newman born 02.09.1922 Master pastry cook served during WW 2 in the
Royal Navy move to his wife’s country the USA died Sept 24. 1985
m Betty born 1923 died March 1992 of a drug overdose
6 Robin Newman, a nurse.
5 Geoffrey Newman (Geoff)
m Beryl (Clark ? Michael has a cousin Maurice Clark with a wife Jenny)
6 Michael Newman ( I )
m 03.04.1976 Robin Newman
6 Marion Newman
m (1) Ian May, divorced late 1980’s (2) m Martin Stanford circ. 2005, stepson b 1995
7 Elizabeth May
m ?
8 son born about 2005
7 Katherine May
7 Sarah May
6 Janet Newman
m John Gray, electrical contractor at Cambridge Technology Plant. Live at Harston.
7 Matthew Gray b circ. late 1970’s. lives in Ely
7 Faith Gray
m ? Husband was in chemistry / pharmaceutical research..Div.2009
8 Daniel born about 2002
8 daughter
7 Gemma Gray
m ? in 2008
4 Thomas Kidman b 1899. d 1980
m (1) Rene
5 Lionel Paul Kidman b 1940 who worked for a bus company and later for
Evergreen Flower Shop partly as a delivery man.
m Marion
6 Stephen Kidman
m Ann
7
6 Victoria [Vicky] Kidman
m
m (2) Ella Elizabeth Tredgett b 27.02.1917. d
31.08.2007 [ brother of Joe Tredgett
[ who married Dot and had a daughter Elizabeth [ d]
[ who married Ian Liddle.
[ Ella Tredgett was the daughter of Joseph (brother
of George and Arthur) and
[ Elizabeth of 17 Pleasant Valley. ]
4 Alice Kidman b 10.05.1904 d 23.01.2003 shop
assistant
m 13.11.1926 in the snow Sydney Lewis Maddams b
31.12.1902. d 09.03.1974 mechanic, driver, tool
maker
5 Roy Harry Maddams b 01.02.1932. Confirmed
23.05.1956 electrical engineer
m on 21.06.1956 Lillian Rushmer b 24.01.1932 typist
office worker, housewife
6 Ian Roy Maddams b 03.04.1959 draughtsman,
media deliverer, veteran cyclist,, bachelor
6 Hugh Duncan Maddams b 11.01.1962 surveyor
glider pilot and instructor, bachelor
6 Andrew James Maddams b 07.05.1966 mechanic
postal worker, stockman
m (1 )Margaret Williams, dental receptionist died
m (2) Julie A Beaumont. postal worker
5 John Edward Maddams b on a snowy 07.12.1938.
bp 27 Feb 1955 Manager in Retailingm Archivist
historian from 1974. Administrator LHM[MCCPF]
1954-2009 bachelor.
Administrator of this site.
3 Rosetta Barker, died young
3 Emma Barker b 05 12.1863
m Horace Westwood, the lamp lighter
4 Ellen Westwood (Nellie) b 23.11.1897 bp 06.02.1898
m Mr Martin
5 Barbara Martin died 1972
m ?
3 Ellen Barker b 05.06.1869
m Frederick Arthur Newman who married again after Ellen died
4 Albert Newman
m details unknown but believed to have had a daughter
4 Frederick Daniel Newman
m Rosetta Kidman
5 Dennis Newman born 1922 died Sept 1985
m Betty born 1923 died March 1992
6 Robin Newman
m Michael Newman
5 Geoffrey Newman (Geoff) b 1922
m Beryl
6 Michael Newman b 02.09.1942
m Robin Newman
6 Marion Newman b 22.03.1944
m (1) Ian May, divorced late 1980’s (2) m Martin Stanford circ. 2005, stepson b 1995
7 Elizabeth May
m ?
8 son born about 2005
7 Katherine May
7 Sarah May
6 Janet Newman
m John Gray, electrical contractor at Cambridge Technology Plant. Live at Harston.
7 Matthew Gray b circ. late 1970’s. lives in Ely
7 Faith Gray
m ? Husband was in chemistry / pharmaceutical research..Div.2009
8 Daniel born about 2002
8 daughter
7 Gemma Gray
m ? in 2008
4 Henry Newman ( Harry) bachelor lived in Muswell Hill died circ. 1980’s
2 Phoebe Barker
3 Rosetta Barker, illegtimate b 15.05.1849
2 Moses Barker
m 1863 (1) Ellen died 1864 m (2) 01.12.1864 to Emma Ackerson b 1834 daughter of
James Ackerson [ Malt Maker ]
3 Walter Barker b 28.02.1864 bp 17.07.1964
m Jessie
4 Maud Emma Barker b 15.09.1900 bp 22.01.1908
4 Ellen May Barker b 04.12.1907 bp 22.0l.1908
4 Jessie Edna Barker b 19.19.1909 bp 21.11.1909.
4 Elsie Barbara Barker bp 14.12. 1913
4 Peggy Gill Barker b 05.03.1917 bp 06.05.1917
2 Daniel Barker b 04.02.1834 bp 17.08.1834 at Saffron Walden
2 Maria Ellen Barker b 01.04.1837. d 30.06.2837
2 Tamar Barker b 30.03.1838 - d 25.04.1838
2 Ruth Barker b 28.05.1843 died young
2 Maria Barker II b 18.05.1849
2 Ruth Barker II b 13.05.1849
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THE KIDMAN FAMILY OF LINTON by JEM (2009)
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Anecdotal Version ( see letters in brackets) key to the notes at the end.
John Kidman of Linton b 1754 - d 26.7.1826,
a Tanner and supporter of Linton Baptist Church later
Free Church-URC who was a member of a Committee of 5 set up to superintend
rebuilding of the Linton Meeting House in 1817 and gave £150 towards it
m Elizabeth Taylor] b 1770 - d 29.7.1845 They were both Members of St Andrews Street
Baptist Church Cambridge as recorded in the 1806 -1832 Membership Register quite early
in positions 62 and 63.
v
Fanny Kidman maybe a daughter.
( above from St Andrews Street Baptist Church Cambridge records position 68
The record also includes Thomas Nixon, confectioner died 1835 aged 55 so born in 1780
Chosen as a deacon in 1823, ancestor of Pastor Arthur Nixon who later married into the
Kidman family.
1 Thomas Kidman. Labourer
m ?
2 Isabelle Kidman
2 Charles Kidman b 1829 d 1912 b Linton Church Yard
m Jane ? b 1833 d 1902 b Linton Church Yard
3 Charles Kidman born 1852 apprenticed a bricklayer moved to Cambridge in the 1870’s
and began his own builders business in 1876, passed on to his 4 sons
built a lot of terraced housing in the Romsey district of Cambridge and worked on most of
the Colleges.
2 Thomas Kidman b about 1830 Labourer
m Susan Powell daughter b Linton 1832 of William Powell of Newmarket born 1798
who had 2 other daughters ; Jane 1846 -1928 [who married Fred Whiffen ] and Emma
... 3 Thomas Kidman born of Linton b 13.09.1856 married at Linton Parish Church 25.12.1880
bricklayer d 21.10.1941 (X)
m Alice Barker of Saffron Walden b 18.04.1861. bp 09.06.1861 d 16.03.1953 aged
PARENTS of THE Kidmans of Saffron Walden and
their descendents recorded in the previous Section.
3 Frederick Kidman b 1859. d 05.03.1931 Publican at Linton probably THE SWAN
buried at Linton Cemetery
m Emma
4 a son possibly Frederick
4 a son possibly Thomas
4 Alice Kidman b about 1881 d 1974
m ?
5 Violet
m Arthur Nixon. DIY Salesman, Lay Pastor of Girton Baptist Church
worked for Percy Piggott at his hardware shop in Sussex Street Cambridge
In the 1950’s Percy was Treasurer of St Andrew’s Street Baptist Church Cambridge
and a Trustee. Arthur later worked for Percy’s son at Victoria Road.
4 Rose Kidman b ? d 25.10. ?? aged 91 then living at the Almshouses.
m George Saunders of Gold Street Saffron Walden. Died 1975 They had no children.
4 a son possibly James Kidman Private 18369 7th Battalion Suffolk Regiment who died
of wounds Sat 22nd December 1917 buried LE CATEAU MILITARY CEMETERY Nord,
France Grave V C 6
and 4 other daughters of whom one may have been Emma
3 George Kidman b 1867 d 01.05.1943
m Elizabeth b 1867 d 30.10.1940
4 Robert Kidman
m ?
5 Floss Kidman
3 Richard Kidman (thingy) b 1868 d 16.02.1953 Salvation Army officer in London
m May d 1973 She had a wool shop in London They retired to Linton where there was a
SA Centre.
4 a son We think it may have been Lawrence, who served in the RAF.
4 a daughter
3 Katherine Kidman ( known as Kate may have been nickname for Edith Mary below)
3 Elizabeth Kidman b 1873 d 07.04.1940
m John Newton b 1867 d 21.04. 1949
4 George Newton
m Hilda
5 Iris Newton
m Angus Turnbull Director of Harts bookshop twin of Mary Turnbull BU Deaconess
at Morden in Surrey, and later Assistant Headmistress RAB Infants School. both
were siblings of John C Turnbull [ Jack, MD of Harts Printers son of Daisy Maggs
Teacher & Ernest Turnbull, Printer. Husband of Joy, Father of Michael Turnbull who
was twice married and had daughter .
6 Martin Turnbull Director Harts Office Supplies.
6 Elizabeth Turnbull ( or is it Anne)
6 Andrew Turnbull
4 May Calvary Newton b 1895 d 22.10.1942
3 Edith Mary Kidman b 1884 d 21.04.1967
m [ 1 ] Mr. Loveday Policeman of Balham and lived in Tooting
4 Basil Neville Loveday b 1908 d 13.03.1972
m [ 2 ] Mr Charles William Swan b 1883 d 29.12.1965
ANECDOTAL NOTES a lot from a 6 page document John wrote down in 1975 from conversations with his Mum - Alice.
(X)
Thomas Kidman born of Linton b 13.09.1856 married at Linton Parish Church bricklayer and building foreman with William Bell builder of Saffron Walden.
d 21.10.1941 Unable to read or write yet he “read” the newspapers by looking at the
pictures and asking his mates questions. He was an expert gardener in vegetables and
fruit and made from memory various wines. His favourite hymns were “The Old Rugged
Cross” and “ O Happy day that fixed my choice on Jesus”, He had Sunday evening
family prayers He was still working at 75 then on the Landscape View Council houses.
His daughter Alice taught him to sign his name..
(Y)
Alice Barker of Saffron Walden b 18.04.1861. bp 09.06.1861 d 16.03.1953 aged 91
The Barkers, A Walden Family back to the 16th century and indeed earlier were also
inter married into the Jopson - Farrow family. One of Alice’s grandmothers Mrs Jopson worked
at the “Royal Oak” pub on Fairycroft Road -East Street corner The landlord there in
1884 was Henry Jopson Farrow grandson of Henry Jopson long the landlord. A Bess
Farrow was a frequent visitor to Alice Kidman [ nee Barker], and her husband was a
Fred Farrow who had a daughter Dolly Farrow who became a Mrs Braybrooke also a
friend of the Kidman family related to the Mr Farrow of Pleasant Valley father of Peter
and Roy, whose mother was a Freegard, and aunt to JEM’s NFGS school friend
Terrence Freegard later National Director of Training for Waitrose. Ltd.
Alice Kidman[ nee Barker‘s] mother was Jane Barker [ nee Bush] of Upper Castle
Street whose ancestors included William Bush builder and later trustee of Hill Street
Baptist Church chapel in 1791
(A)
Albert Thomas Kidman b 1881 labourer, bricklayer and at times maybe Maltster for
Barnard Brothers. He and his wife Florence [Surname unknown ] were Baptists and they lived in 28 Mill Lane and he was one of a team of half a dozen who share responsibility for pumping the organ bellows [ which continued to 1939 when an electric motor was fixed. ] They had a son George who married Violet Bacon, daughter of Frank Bacon the fish seller in Station Street, where George worked. Violet was the sister of Frank Bacon junior, educated at Newport Free Grammar School, who owned a green grocery store in the High Street and finally in King Street.
For World War One Albert joined the 11th Essex Regiment. He served at Gallipoli, suffering bad feet and dysentery, sojourned in Egypt to recover, and was wounded during the 1916 battle of the Somme, when shrapnel hit him in the back when he was back from the front at rest in base camp So he died of some days later from shrapnel wounds in France 14.10.1916 buried at Etaples Military Cemetery His wife was able to visit him before he died.
His remains lie in Plot 7 Row F Grave 3A He was aged about 34.
Florence after Albert’s death lived in 31 Fairycroft Rd. She remarried to a Mr Thomas Swan.
She with Thomas Swan had a son William, better known locally as Bill or “Buster” Swan
Head Boy at St Mary’s school, at 14 worked for Frank Bacon fish and green grocery merchant
At 16 joined the Essex Regiment and at 21 was a Sgt Won the DCM in 1943 holding out a village for 5 days with 874 men against 3000 German paratroopers.
Invalided back home he worked for Frank Bacon, then E D Miller the baker delivering bread, then a postman and a charge hand at Acrow Engineers and a retired as from being Security Officer at CIBA-GEIGY at Duxford. He served as Officer in charge of Saffron Walden Army
Cadet Force. He was a great dog lover and was married with a daughter Linda. He
died 24.11. 2008. He was a cousin of Eric John Swan, Thomas Swan being Eric’s uncle local County High School Maths teacher, Baptist Deacon Treasurer, Preacher and for a time pastor of Wood Lane Baptist Church Dagenham
(B}
Jane Susannah Kidman b 24.07.1883. d 02.08.1986 at 4.45am aged 103 Educated
at the old Debden Road School. Confirmed in the C of E, worked from age of 14
until marriage in service to the Miss Winter who ran a private nursing home in
Mount Pleasant Road and lived in South Road and provided at one time later hospitality
to Queen Wilhelmina of Holland, Jane became a Baptist Church member
about 1922 and was a founder member in 1931 of their Women’s Own fellowship to
which she donated a hand bell to start the meeting.
Married about 1904 to Joseph Drane b 1881. d 12.11.1965 Farm worked at the Roos Farm,
Debden Road where they had a farm cottage before moving to 25
Pleasant Valley from where they moved to Highgate. They moved back to Roos
Hill Cottages in the early 1920’s as Arthur’s health was poor. He had been helping
with deliveries from the Newman bakery shop. They were at Roos Hill when Alice
and Syd were courting prior to 1923-1926. They later moved back to 25 Pleasant
Valley now 7 St John’s Close.
25 Pleasant Valley was the property of William Gray Palmer the men’s outfitter who sold it
after the Great War. Joe was brother of Herbert Charles Drane 1886 - 1950 and
John William Drane 1884 - 1948. One of them father of Fred Drane. Fireman.
(C)
Charles Edward King, builder with his father’s Building company lived in
Castle Street. 3rd son of Frank and Sarah King of 61 Castle Street a local athlete
b 21.02.1895 bp 03.02.1897 joined 11th Essex Regiment, 28294 and missing in
action 10.07.1917 Belgium. Listed on the Nieuport Memorial. Alice Kidman as a
girl during the Great War slept at Nell’s home in Castle St, to be company for her.
Before that Nell and Charles had lived in Johnson’s Yard off Church Street.
(D)
Dorothy Violet King ( Deanie ) nee Dewberry b 1911 d. 31.10.1995
Her teen years were spent caring for her mother who was suffering from cancer,
and after her death bringing up their large family including sisters Ivy and Lily .
alongside this task Deanie also worked at the paper mill at Sawston ( Spicers).
She also served as a cinema usherette. She was a great cat lover and had many friends.
(E)
Arthur Tredgett Arthur was born at Hempstead the youngest child of four [see below]
Arthur when he left school worked on the building of Thaxted Railway.
Arthur bought 17-21 Pleasant Valley when William Gray Palmer sold the property and John Newton bought 9-15.
Living at 21 Pleasant Valley, Arthur was a Haulage Contractor Dealer, Landlord, and
Small Holder who used horses but bought his first lorry in 1935.
When Arthur married Nell King [ nee Kidman] he moved in to No 21 when he was able to
evict the Barkers. He walled up No 5 to create two cottages later 17 and 19 his
brother lived in No 17, and the Scruby family lived in No 19. Unable to have
children of their own Mr and Mrs Fred Scruby fostered children and then they
adopted 2. Paul and Ann. Ann was the daughter of a woman who left her
husband to live with Fred Scruby’s brother at Great Yarmouth. Ann legally
adopted the Scruby’s as her parents at the age of 21, Paul married and had two
sons, Ann married David Goddard and lived at Tiptree where they had 4 or 5
children
Arthur Tredgett’s family were
Lily [ “Aunt Lil” who lived with her brother George who lived higher up in Pleasant Valley
Joseph (Joe) b 1881 d 06.10.1965 who lived at 17 Pleasant Valley married to
Elizabeth b 1889 d 22.11.1966
who had a daughter Ella who married Thomas Tom) Kidman,
and a son Joseph [ Joey) who was one time Treasurer of Saffron Walden Baptist Church
who married Dorothy (Dot) and had a daughter Elizabeth who married Ian Liddle son of Courtney James Liddle a NFGS Teacher. Elizabeth & Ian became Associate ministers of the United Reformed Church denomination. Elizabeth went blind and died. Dot was still alive in 2009 a member of Saffron Walden Methodist Church.
There may have been another brother Alfred Tredgett killed in the Great War but nor recorded at family request on the War Memorial.
Arthur Tredgett obtained George Kidman’s wife a cottage at 9 Debden Road when George was in the Army.
Arthur Tredgett rented land at the back of Pleasant Valley and later bought and sold it. There he also had a shed with an electric saw-mill, piles of wood, and haystacks and I believe chickens He supplied kindling n wood to a farm which stood where Barley Court off Station Street is now.
His woodshed, wood pile and haystacks were all destroyed or severely damaged by fire about 1950 through the carelessness of his nephew John Maddams. Whom he graciously forgave when he owned up to it about 1957. Arthur rented fields which are now Rowntree Way and Birdbush Avenue.
Arthur and Nell lived in No 21 until he finally retired in 1970 when he lived in a purpose built bungalow from where in his loneliness he visited his sister in law Jane Drane frequently and loved to have Alice Maddams visit him along with his children and great grandchildren. and died 16.05.1981
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Violet Tredgett b 24.11.1921 educated at South Road School worked at Elias
Anthony’s Bakery in the High street. Later as a mother, housewife and then
widow she was also a member of the committee of Abbey Lane Women’s
Institute, and of The Friendship Club, and Age Concern and a member of the
Sequence Dancing Club. Vi also made and dressed rag dolls & sold them for
charities. Vi was a dress maker & accomplished at knitting.
m 1945) or 1941?) James Grimshaw [ Jim ] a soldier from Lancashire, billeted at Cambridge
House, Walden formerly a girls school, opposite Anthony’s. Paint sprayer at
Raynham’s garage High street, lived in Neville Road off Shed’s Lane. Jim died 1975
Vi died 27.04.2006 buried at Saffron Walden Cemetery
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Henry Arthur Kidman. Born 1888 Known as Harry, bachelor , bricklayer, acted as
scribe to his Dad who was a foreman but could not read or write At the outbreak of
the Great War he was in a Reserved Occupation. Hs younger brother Thomas a bit
of a hot head signed up under age causing his parents great worry and Harry agreed
to enlist in about 1915 up to accompany him and keep an eye on him. So as Private
Harry Arthur Kidman G/17631 2nd Royal Fusiliers he was killed in action 24th April
1917 during the Battle of Arras in France, having served earlier in Gallipoli. He was
blown to pieces and has no known grave and is remembered in the 3rd Bay of the
Arras Memorial to the missing. Alice his younger sister to whom he wrote and sent
cards to has a description of Christmas behind the front lines from Christmas 1916.
Harry had a reputation for being quiet with a slight weakness for alcohol which his
Dad told him off about and a kind compassionate disposition
As a boy he was a member of the Baptist Church Sunday School He was a member of the local lodge of the Odd Fellows.
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Rose Kidman b 16.01.1896,
m Frederick Daniel Newman born at Saffron Walden 23.01.1895 bp 24.02.1895
[ Master Baker at Highgate, in North London with his Dad, Frederick Arthur Newman whose wife was Ellen Barker b 05.06.1869 bp 14.11.1869 St Mary’s Saffron Walden, the younger sister of Alice Barker who married Thomas Kidman.
He had had 2 brothers, all worked for Newman’s Bakeries. They had shops
at Highgate and Ealing. Then Ealing was sold and the money used to buy one at
North Finchley.
Frederick Daniel Newman’s two brothers also in the business were Bert who was married whom we think may have had 2 children & Harry who remained a bachelor all his life and lived with his parents Fred and Nell [ Ellen ] at Muswell Hill .
The 3 sons had been discouraged to make friends but to concentrate on making the business profitable and the two married ones met their wives through the family and their work. .
and later his Dad after his wife’s death married again which divided his sons, and brought them further siblings
Before she married Nell Kidman worked in London at his shop Thomas and Alice Kidman with Alice [ Allie ] and Thomas [ Tom] Kidman stayed at the flat over the shop one fortnight’s holiday.
Fred arranged visits to the London Zoo, the Theatres, and a ride around London on
a the top of a bus. Unfortunately Allie missed out on this for a fortnight quarantined
to the flat with mumps. Back home she went back to school after a week, but was
sent home for another two to be on the safe side. While in London Tom showed
great affection for her showering her with oranges which was about all she could eat.
Sister Jane with her husband Joe and their son Arthur stayed in London for some
time working at the Newman’s shop, and Arthur as a young man went on the
delivery rounds. Tom also worked at the shop immediately after the Great War.
Brother George worked in London before the Great War and married Sarah there
but we are not sure whether he also worked at the Newman’s shop or somewhere
else.
Later Fred with Rose moved as a Baker and pastry cook to his own business at
Hoddesdon in Herts where he had a bakery, shop and house and separately an
orchard. There John Maddams remembers his Dad taking him by car after the War
at Christmas through a snow covered country side with icicles hanging from the
trees to picked up iced cakes made for their various Walden families. He
remembers that in the court yard at the rear of the shop were flower tubs made up of
several old tyres on top of one another and the centres filled with earth, and the
treads painted in red white and blue. At another time in the autumn he remembers
being taken to the orchard on the outskirts of town on the left hand side of a road, he
thinks surrounded by a hedge, where there were fruit trees, apple, pear, and
plumbs to pick fruit to take back to Walden for bottling,
Their eldest son Dennis returning home after the War wanted to marry his American girl friend. Rose was horrified that she might never see him again and with Fred forbade him from doing so. He ignored them and chose his girlfriend. This caused an animosity never resolved. Thus Rose achieved what she wanted to avoid by driving her son away and never seeing him again.
After Rose’s death Fred would write friendly letters to his daughter in law, but on her two visits to Britain he refused to meet her.
Later Fred and Rose retired to a luxury bungalow at Royston, Herts where he had a
large expansive garden aviary and bed budgerigars and canaries and then to
Takeley in Essex where he became a widower when Rose suffered a long time in
hospital dying from leukaemia and visited each Sunday afternoon by Alice, Syd and
John who were sworn to secrecy not to tell any member of the family where she
was or what she was suffering from. Rose died 16.09.1969. After becoming a widower Fred moved to Reed in Herts. To be near Geoff and his family, who then moved to March in
Cambridgeshire. Fred remained in the lower part of his house with upstairs sealed
off and he Died 8.05.1991 aged 96 buried at Saffron Walden with Rosetta.
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Michael Newman b 29.09.1942 son of Geoffrey Newman below educated at
Takeley Primary School and Saffron Walden County High School. Works in
insurance for the Royal Insurance Company married his cousin Robin Newman
at Priory Church Honolulu Hawaii 03.04.1976
They lived in Hawaii for some years at Kaneohe on Oahu island where they
bred dogs Terriers. thingyer spaniels, and Pekinese,
and they breed birds, which include lovebirds,
budgerigars, umbrella thingyatoos, Moluccan thingyatoos, conures, rare white
faced thingyatiels, and Senegal parrots. Michael is also a horticulturist and
grows rare plants.
Dec 13 1989 they began their adoptive family two Negro children from
Missouri. Darlene born 1984 who grew up to became a shop assistant and
Tony born 1985 who became involved in drugs and finished up in prison where
a Pentecostalist pastor visited him regularly. Tony became a Christian and
after release was to have trained to be a pastor but that got suspended and we
have no further news.
in 1992 they moved to the main island opposite an island with an active volcano
continuing to breed birds but fewer dogs, but lots of cats and rabbit.
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Thomas Kidman after the Great War in which he was a machine gunner worked for a time at the Newman’s shop in Highgate and then joined one of Fred Newman’s brother’s on the Railways. He married Rene and went to live in Nottingham and work for the People’s Dispensary for Sick Animals . They ran between then a Warehouse Business in the clothing trade Rene was the real scholar of the business.
John remembers a week’s holiday in Nottingham after the War. He cannot place Roy being there and if he wasn’t then it may have been 1948 when Roy was with Granny and Granddad Maddams in London attending the Olympic Games. Otherwise it was in August 1946 or 1947.
John recalls a visit to the warehouse where they had a large Welsh harp. He recalls too visiting the Goose Fair on the green in front of the castle with loads of caravans and round-a-bouts. He remembers Paul had a jack in a box. He remembers a drive into Sherwood Forest and stopping at a pub where the boys had soft drinks or possibly Tizer. He recalls crossing the River Trent on a pedestrian-only bridge and having bought for him on the other side his first ever icecream, a cornet. He remembers all the adults going to the theatre one evening for a Victory Revue.
After Rene’s death Tom and Paul moved to Walden to a caravan on Arthur Tredgett’s land at the back of Pleasant Valley
Here he renewed a friendship with his childhood friend Ella who was a niece of his first wife.
and they married
They built their bungalow in Hill Top Lane and called it Tomella in 1953. Their original idea was to have a small free range chicken farm but it soon became clear this would not produce sufficient profit so Tom took a job at Acrow’s Engineers. When he retired they ran a modest nursery from their home in bedding plants, and Tom died in 1980 Ella lived there until about 2005 but was estranged from Paul and her affairs looked after by Brian Sander the evacuee from London taken in by her parents during the war who is now an artist [commercial painter] and lives with his wife Lizzie, at Littlebury. About 2005 after a fall she ended up in Radwinter Road Community Hospital and transferred to Hatherley House where she died on August 31st 2007 aged 90..
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